it was a showdown between president clinton and newt gingrich and the president won. but what was very important about that was it cleared the air. the shutdown and the collapse on the republican side led to an era of bipartisanship that we really got some things done. president clinton has been the first to say that. shutdown can have a cleansing effect. the hope is that the combination of sequester and the prospect of a shutdown will have a cleansing effect here now. nothing else so far has. maybe this will. >> david and ron, thanks very much for joining us. i suspect i'll be seeing more of you two guys in the coming week. >>> imagine if you don't think of the taxes you pay as a waste but rather as an investment for which you get a return. far from being a burden on your proverbial grandchildren, the taxes you pay could actually end up making them money. i'll explain. i've always had to keep my eye on her... but, i didn't always watch out for myself. with so much noise about health care... i tuned it all out. with unitedhealthcare, i get information that matters...